2008 Applicants

*peeks at message board yet again*

*sighs*

*stops lurking*

Hello, everyone. I haven't seen a thread for this years' applicants yet, so I thought I might start one. Do feel free to rant at me if I have begun a new thread in error. So, um, hi, I'm Rheniel, and I just submitted my application.

Gosh, that was awkward. Why not just say, "Hi, my name is Rheniel, and I'm a Write-aholic"...

*coughs*

In case it's not readily apparent, I'm really bad at social things. Anyhow, I wanted to say hi, and to wish everyone else that's applying really good luck... or brainwaves... or whatever the appropriate wish-able-thing would be that you would prefer...

HI!

As the ominous ides of March draw near, bringing with it Clarion's rejection or acceptance, I didn't want to miss the opportunity to say hello to my fellow applicants before it was too late. I have the feeling that once the notifications are sent out, our anxious bond forged by hope and anticipation will be broken. I've read all of your posts and I see slices of my own story in each of them, so I'd like to finally add my story to the pot.

 

This was my first time applying for the workshop, so I'd like to think the inevitable rejection won't hurt so much, but like the song goes, "The first cut is the deepest." When I began my submission story (three days from the deadline) I was extremely confident. But like I always say, "Every story I begin is worthy of a Pulitzer Prize, but most stories I finish aren't worthy of the paper they're printed on." As the story drew to a close, and the deadline loomed, I began reconsidering even applying. But I didn't have much time to reconsider given that I had to finish the second submission story to qualify for Clarion@ucsd. I finished my final story at the eleventh Hour... literally... 11:01 PM. I saved about a billion drafts and versions of the stories throughout writing it, thinking what a shame it would be to lose all my work due to a computer crash (It's happened to me before.) Unfortunately my prodigious saving turned out to be my downfall. When I sent my stories to the administrators, I sent out the wrong versions. Thankfully I caught my mistake and resent the right versions just in time.

 

Since it was my first time applying, I was excited just to be a candidate. But the excitement has given way to pure anxiety. I've even had nightmares about receiving the rejection notice. To get through the anxiety I've been writing and reading.

 

My all time favorite book is "Slaughter House Five" by Kurt Vonnegut; a touching tale about a WWII veteran who becomes "unstuck in time" and must continually relive all the moments of his life, from birth, to adolescence, to surviving the bombing of Dresden, to the death of his wife and children, and his own tragic death. The great thing about the novel is that it's all true. Most of the scenes and characters were taken from Vonnegut's life and experiences as a WWII POW. It showed me that it's not so much the science that makes good science fiction, but the human implications of it... which addresses the question about truly unique Sci-fi; I think it is better to concentrate on unique characters and situations that on unique science. The science should be used as a tool to explore aspects of the story. If you keep this in mind, all of the sci fi you write will be unique.

 

I believe Science fiction is a lens through which we can view the human condition; much like science itself is a lens through which we view the universe. Without science we would be privy to but a thin slice of reality; but through it we have learned more about reality than through any other intellectual endeavor; science has allowed us to glimpse (however dimly) at the very birth of our universe, illuminating the afterglow of the big bang, and it allowed us to peer down into the unfathomable depths of space-time, down into the quantum foam. Science gives us the power to see beyond what is available to us through the senses, to reveal the very structure of reality. And science fiction brings the power of science to bear onto the human soul.

 

Excuse me for getting a little dramatic, but I really love science fiction.... anyway....

 

Good luck and may we meet in Seattle (Or San Diego)

Hello, yourself!

And congratulations on applying.  That first time applying is full of doubt and anxiety, but there are plenty of folks in the world who make it the first time.  For myself, I agonized over editing for an age (and found a bunch of stuff I wanted to change, even after I had submitted).  But, in retrospect, I know I had a long way to go yet.  Really, I think I still do.

My response to acceptance and rejection always seems to end the same place, though: back to writing.  Although what happens before differs alot, being immersed in a good story is a good way to use excited energy and the best way to ease disappointment.

 Good luck to you, and to everyone who has stayed a lurker.

Application Deadline Midnight Tonight

As we're rapidly approaching the application deadline, I just wanted to say good luck to everyone who has applied. Our readers are busily doing their thing and we will get back to you all as soon as we possibly can, but it takes them a while to get through all the reading since so many applicants have waited for the last minute. We're sorry that we can only invite 18 of you--that breaks our hearts every year--but at least we *will* be inviting 18 of you to an amazing adventure.

--Neile

writer; workshop administrator
http:www.sff.net/people/neile

Rose Colored Glasses

And so I join the list of anxious nail biters.

This is my first time applying and it's good to know that I'm not the only one forcing myself to think of other things. I've been writing seriously since 2004 and stumbled upon Clarion West about a year ago. It sounds like a great program and an honor to be accepted.

Someone wished us all good luck -- thank you! I can only speak for myself, but I can use it.

Writing has been no less than a pilgramage for me. If I'm allowed to be a tad bit dramatic, I remember starting my first novel with such hope and naive happiness. I opened a bottle of champagne when I finished the first draft of Digital Memory. I was so proud and felt like I had joined the ranks of the few, the good, the accomplished, The Writers!

Ha! I think the best way to describe these past 4 years is to compare it to sex. Well, to be more specific: a woman losing her virginity. You're in love, you're happy, but then the pain comes and you're left thinking "what the hell? I sure hope it gets better than this because if not, I don't think I want to play anymore!"

And of course it gets better but you're still left remembering the moment when those rose colored glasses came off.

For me it was my first rejection letter. It wasn't that I was rejected. No, it was the stamped reply on the top of my one page query letter that angered me. Okay, and the fact that he rejected me without reading the first paragraph of my novel didn't help.

I'd like to think I've come a long way since then. My writing has improved and I've matured in the ways of the "art" industry. I finally understand that the writing is the fun part, but the queries, agenting and publishing is when I need to wear my corporate hat -- now if I can just do that without getting emotional everytime an agent replies with the "thank you for the opportunity to read Crimson Candles...." In my house, we've switched to paper plates. They tend to handle impact better :)

Anyway, we seem to be on this pilgramage together so I thought I'd share some of my more darker moments with writing. I've often thought of stopping. I mean, it seems like such a large mountain and I happen to suffer from altitude sickness. But another story idea pops in my head each time I think about giving up. And then I'm off writing about some planet in another galaxy where people are two feet tall.

To all of those who are waiting to find out if you've been accepted, I too wish you the best of luck. Happy Writing!

Welcome

Natasha,

Welcome to the ranks of the few, the good, the accomplished...the Writers!

Your story about breaking out the champagne is a familiar one. When I received notice of my first short story sale, I celebrated with red wine and rare steak. The payment for my short story: $50. The restaurant tab: $100. Net loss: $50.

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Andrew Shaffer

http://www.orderofstandrew.com

Good luck everyone! (me too)

Hi folks,
Great thread! This is my first time applying and I'm really excited about it.

I've been plugging away at my work for awhile, but it's mainly been a private hobby. This year a friend asked me about applying to CW and I responded by writing a little post on my site about being terrified of workshops in general. Well, a few more friends piled on and I sort of wondered why I shouldn't just jump in there and do it. Then my wife said I had to do it, so here I am. :)

Good luck everyone!!

Life goes on.

Hi, my name is Aerin and this'll be my fifth time applying. The first four were consecutive years in a row about 4 years back or so, this year makes it the fifth. I'd say i went through various stages, denial was first, then the desolation, then the feelings of inadequacy... but the feelings lessened every subsequent time I applied. I've learned a bit since then from the various creative types that have flitted in and out of my life-- keep chugging away at your work regardless of what happens, and take the criticism/advice you've been given in stride. This year I agonized a bit with my submission package (novel excerpt) only because I sent it via e-mail; I'm old school in the sense that I <3 my yellow legal notepad scribbles and heavy 24# hard copies scattered in my creative space, for all that my blog has lots 'o snazzy html coding...

Okay, that's a lie. I found two typos when I was looking the submission over after I sent it out. (Curse you, spellcheck!!) But the Agonizing was temporary.

As to what I'm doing while I wait, I don't think about what I need to get in or what I do if I don't. The submission I sent was the best at the moment and that's that. If someone on the panel sees something in my writing that can be improved by this year's instructors then I consider that to be providence. If not, well, there's always next year. ^_^

As for my favorite reads, I have quite a few (None of them are Tolkien, sorry guys >_<) But I am full-on, madly in love with Harry Dresden and the Dresden Files series by Jim Butcher right now. I want a temple dog, too. (I wonder if they shed?)

Nice to meet you all!

I'm Justin, and this is my first time applying to a Clarion workshop, and i'm very excited as well. I wish everyone luck and hope to meet all of you soon. I submitted a story that isn't even Sci-Fi, because it was the best one I had under 30 pages, so I went with what I thought was best.

I live near Seattle, so if we all have the opportunity to study together, I'll be more than happy to act as a 'Field Guide' or 'Ranger' if you will of all the Seattle landscape has to offer.  

So, beyond that, I'm a indie film producer, a writer, and a big big sci-fi and fantasy lover. Have been my whole life. I really look forward to being in an environment with like minds so we can brainstorm and feed each other's ideas. See you soon. 

 

Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!

  Hello everyone, It is

 

Hello everyone,

It is very cool to see an applicant's thread started for this year. I always enjoy reading all the opinions and excitement that are so evident here.

I am still getting used to their brand new message board. Hopefully my markup stuff will work. Cool

 

Be sure to have fun while waiting...

Oh, and Clarion East said their application pool last year was 70 or so applicants so your odds aren't horrific - they just may feel that way. Also, I don't have any idea how many CW gets in comparison.

 

Mallory

Nervous...

Hi Rheniel (and other hopefuls)!

And thanks for starting this thread. I am totally flustered and flummoxed as to what to send and what judges are looking for. This year's roster of instructors is impressive indeed. And I'm sure there'll be like 10,000 applicants. So what's the secret to standing out from the crowd? I haven't got a clue. Like many other applicants (I'm sure) I'm rushing to write new stories, fearing the old ones won't measure up, but of course the new ones probably won't be so great either. Oh god! If only I could channel JG Ballard!

Do the panel of judges change each year? Is it really more competitive to get into Clarion than Harvard Medical School? Does one really have a better chance at being an astronaut than a sci-fi writer?

I'd really be curious to hear some of the plot synopsises of what people are sending in their applications. I know you can't tell the quality of writing from a synopsis, but still be interesting.

Oh well, I guess I'll just send what I have. It ain't gonna be brilliant; could always some more work. But you don't have the luxury of revising forever.

BTW, is possible to be truly original in sci-fi anymore? My own stories are just variations on classic devices: time-travel; dytopian world; post-apocalypitc war...etc.

Thanks for responding ;) 

Thanks for responding ;)  It feels much less awkward to have started a thread once other people start writing in it.

Anyhow, I think I'm less nervous this time because this isn't my first time applying.  Translation: I've already failed at getting in.  If you count the other Clarions, I've failed quite a few times.  Granted, I knew I wasn't ready last time (a couple years ago), but somehow I feel a lot less as though I have a chance of getting in this time - takes all the stress right out of it, but it isn't quite as much fun, either.

Choosing what to send in was pretty easy for me.  Most of my short stories receive the comment (which has to be about the MOST frustrating one in the universe, since I can't figure out what makes them this way) "really great, but it would make a better first chapter for a novel".  Now, I didn't want to send a novel-portion (that somehow didn't seem... finished enough) so I picked the only story, a fairly recent one, to never have gotten that critique.

I had to cut it down by about a third to make the page count.  I think it was good for the story.  Lost some fluff.  Made me have to decide which parts really /mattered/ to the storyline.

 The actual point to all this is that there's only so much merit in agonizing over it.  You wrote it, you've read it: you know which of your stuff is the best.  You know that that story works, and this one was just a good idea that went bad.  So... send that one, leave this one in the drawer, and then use the nervouse energy to write something new.

I wrote a humor piece about applicants for impressive programs after my second bout of nervousness.  It's still one of my better ones.

I "failed" too!

Hey! Thanks for being honest! It's the same for me! I've failed twice before to get in. That was Clarion East though, but basically the same thing. So I feel like all this added pressure to really make it this time. Then again, I wonder what the record is for the number of times someone applies and doesn't get in. 10-times? 20-times? I am so jealous of those who get in on their first try. Oh, why can't I be like them?! Tongue out

I remember the very first time I applied in 2000 and I sent two stories that were basically first drafts, but I ALMOST got in. I got this personalized letter from the director at the time saying how much he liked my stories and encouraging me to re-apply (I was listed as a "high alternate.") But when I re-applied last year I only got a form rejection even though I was positive my stories were stronger. I spent an OBSCENE amount of time working on them. And to no avail. So, uh, I don't know...

Anyway, that's why I was trying to get some added insights this time around. Well, I figured I'd just go back to my original strategy that almost got me in -- just write fast and send first drafts.

But judging by how difficult it is to get in I would assume that only the "creme de la creme" are chosen, i.e., really, really, really, really awesome writers. But that creates a sort of Catch-22, no? I mean I want to go to Clarion so I can be a better writer, but I can't get into Clarion unless I'm already a really good writer.

Reminds me of that conundrum regarding your first job:

"I need the job to get experience, but they won't hire me unless I have exprience." Wink

On the other hand, it does beg another question: If one were already a really good writer than would one really need Clarion? So I guess the final equation is: You want to go to Clarion to be a better writer, but you can only get in if you're already really, really good, but if you were already a really, really good writer you wouldn't need Clarion. Hmm...

What the heck! I'm still applying! Laughing Sci-fi or Die! Yay!

No fun...

I completely know what you mean. The second time I didn't get in, it totally killed me. It felt like "So not only am I not good enough to be published, I'm not good enough to learn how to be good enough..."

I think I pouted for a full week, swearing off writing and vowing that I'd stick to things I know I'm good at...

Yeah, you can see how well that lasted ;)

Regardless, by now I think I apply just to remind myself why engineering is a better career choice.

Anyhow, so... to the population of lurkers at large (I know you're there) what's your favorite book?

Favorite Book

Dune, has been since I was like 15. Possibly the best example of how Science Fiction is social commentary ever. Plus the world is very rich and well developed. 

 

Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!

Lord of the Rings!!!

Tolkien all the way!  I think you meant for me to pick something more... I don't know... literary?  I feel very... fangirlish, saying LotR.  But... well, that's it for me!

Hi, by the way.  I'm not usually a lurker, but it was hard to butt in to this conversation - I've never applied before, and I'm sooo sooo sooo excited.  I mean, really, six whole weeks of writing?  Of Seattle?  I've never been to the west coast, and I've always wanted to go.

 Not that I want to go just 'cuz it's West Coast.  I mean, I totally want to go for the writing.  I haven't been writing all that long, though, and mostly just fanFiction.  Um, my stories that I'm writing aren't my first "real" ones, but ... well, there aren't that many before them that weren't for school like forever ago.

 Um, how do you get people to give opinions on your stuff, though?  I mean, I've asked my family, but of course they all think it's great.  But it's not like I can stop a random stranger and say "Hey, do you read science fiction?  No?  Well, read this anyway, and tell me what you think!"

 Anywaysers, good to meet everyone!

Critiques

There are a number of online critique venues. Both of the two I will put links to here are focused on science fiction, fantasy and horror and are well respected for producing good writers (or at least contributing to the process by which writers become good).

 

OWW: http://sff.onlinewritingworkshop.com/

CRITTERS: http://www.critters.org/

 

I recommend either one as a way to become engaged in the critique process.

 

Cool

One more critique group online

Might I also suggest OWWW, Other Worlds' Writers' Workshop? You can find it here: 

http://www.otherworlds.net

Even if you don't join, you can find a ton of great resources there.  

Ann

Awesome Lavratt, a punny ride through the galaxy, filled with passion, adventure and mind control. http://wilkes.zftp.com/Lavratt.html

Thank you! Thank you!

Wow, where have these workshops been all my life?! Much thanks to Mallory and Ann for posting the links. Jeez, if only I'd known earlier! I'd have way better chances of getting into Clarion. (Oh well, just try for next year) Wink

The plethora of choices is now humbling. I saw that some fairly big names hang out at OWW (like the director of Odyssey and various Clarion alums). So do they tend to have better critiques and writers? Or is it all just a toss-up? I'm kinda' overwhelmed now. But like in a good way! Laughing

 

Better? It is my opinion

Better?

It is my opinion that the process of reviewing (critique) is what actively assists in helping a writer learn how to see the issues in their own work.

I can be helpful to have 15 sets of eyes on your work, but it can be traumatic as well. Novice work, in particular, may be more frail in terms of the storms of opinion peering at it - as to, novice writers may struggle in that separation between writer and work. 

I tend to think that most people learn by doing and writing and receiving critique have similarities to teaching subjects and analysing subjects - it is a way to orient the mind that is different from reading. A writer is never quite the same as they were before they begin to write. You sustain brain changes and your perspective on what you read is transformed and not always in pleasant ways. Some writers talk about the first million words and I believe there is some truth to sheer numbers. Practice engages all aspects of thinking. If we only write and never expose our writing to the possibility of censure it guarantees we won't be published because the process is about exposure and rejection and transformation and growth.

A good critique doesn't mean it comes from a famous person - it means that it discovers a way that the work may improve that makes sense to the writer. Finding good critique is like finding a person who gets your jokes - it isn't common that you can HEAR what feels negative so if a critique can reach you and if it makes sense, that can be invaluable.

However, it is equally important to know when to guard your cards. You cannot write something that everyone will agree with. Sometimes well-intentioned critique can make a hash of a good story. This too is about practice and doing and growing into your own strengths and weaknesses. It is about understanding what you want to say and why you are writing. So, no venue is automatically *better* than the next - it is important to find out what works for YOU.

 

Mallory Cool

Can't Disagree...

Tolkien is one of my favorite authors, too. I wasn't looking for anything specific, just trying to start a conversation.

I don't know if I could really pick a single favorite... right now I'm reading a series by Dawn Cook intermingled with John Ringo's Through the Looking Glass. All good stuff, although the Cook series seems to be going down hill book by book (1 was great, 2 was good, 3 was ok... about to start 4, and I'm not so sure I want to...).

I've only been to Seattle once on my way to Vancouver, and it was quite late at night and all I really did was pick up a car (ok, twice, the car got dropped off too).  Anyhow, I'm a big fan of mountains, but I'm not really a city person, and Seattle is definately city.  I'm honestly not all that excited about the whole city thing, but I hope you enjoy if you get in!

Anyhow, nice to meet you!

 

As a decidedly non-city

As a decidedly non-city person who attended in 2004, I have to say it's well worth six weeks in the city to attend CW.  Bring earplugs if you can stand them (I can't sleep in them, but hopefully you can) or some sort of fan/white noise generator.  And once you're there, remember that the sleep deprivation sometimes helps with the writing.

 Good luck to all of this year's applicants!

Don't worry about what other

Don't worry about what other people are sending.  I mean, you will anyway, but don't let it keep you up nights. 

Send your best work, whatever that is.  Don't worry about whether it's going to be shinier than what other applicants are sending. And don't try to channel JG Ballard--it's you who wants to go to CW, not him! ;)  Just pick your best story so far (or stories, if they're short enough to fit the page count constraints) and write your bio and send it in.  Myself, I'd advise against trying to rush through something new, but I'm a slow worker and do a lot of work over several revisions, so that tactic would have been risky for me, personally. 

Everything, as you say, could use some more work.  The story I applied with got me in, but these days when I look at it, I wince a bit.  So. 

 

As for whether it's possible to be truly original in sci-fi--just personally, I think "original" doesn't neccesarily mean stunningly new devices.  You can twist the devices around, find different ways to handle them, different ways to conceptualize them.  You can get an awful lot of mileage out of classic devices--original mileage.  IMO. 

Oh, man, I hear people's

Oh, man, I hear people's pain. So so so nervewracking, and it doesn't help to say send in your best, but do that. And if you can, get someone to read your stuff, or a couple peoples, and tell you what's best. I went in 2005 and, like most people, loved it so much. So good luck, everyone!

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